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October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month, and it’s a time to reflect on my journey, the challenges faced, and the importance of staying vigilant. Over the last two and a half years, I’ve been living with stage 4 breast cancer, and it’s changed my life in ways I never expected. Sharing my story isn’t just about awareness—it's about understanding what people go through, what treatment options are out there, and the realities that come with a diagnosis like this. 

My Diagnosis: When Life Changed Overnight 

In February 2022, I felt a lump in my breast while showering, which turned out to be the beginning of a whirlwind. After a series of appointments, scans, and biopsies, I was initially diagnosed with stage 2 breast cancer. Things moved fast, and surgery was booked. But just days before the surgery, further scans showed that the cancer had spread—to my liver, sternum, and scapula. It had now progressed to stage 4. Surgery was cancelled. I went from hoping for a cure to managing a disease that would be with me for the rest of my life. 

Living with both MS and stage 4 breast cancer has added layers of complexity. The treatments for one condition can impact the other, making decisions even more difficult. And when you’re thrown into this new world of medical decisions, it’s overwhelming. 

Hormone Blockers, Mastectomies, and Their Emotional Toll 

After my diagnosis, I started hormone blockers to fight the cancer feeding off my body’s hormones. But that wasn’t the end. Over time, the decision was made to remove my ovaries and undergo two separate mastectomies. While I’m grateful the surgeries helped control the spread, the emotional and physical toll was brutal. The idea of losing part of your body, even to save your life, is hard to cope with. 

In episode 20 of Wellbeing Interrupted, I spoke to Louise Butcher, a woman who ran the London Marathon topless after her mastectomies. She’s a great example of how you can take control of your body after surgery, but it’s also a reminder that the process is a tough one. For me, and for many women, the emotional weight of going through a mastectomy goes beyond just the physical loss. 

Jeannie’s Fight for Access to Treatment: A Global Problem 

While I’ve had access to effective treatments in Australia, others aren’t so lucky. I’ve shared the story of Jeannie Ambrose, who is also living with stage 4 breast cancer. Jeannie lives in the UK, where she’s fighting to gain access to a life-extending drug called Enhertu. It’s available in Australia, but not funded in parts of the UK like England, Wales, and Northern Ireland. The research shows it works, but without proper funding, women like Jeannie are left without the treatments that could give them more time. 

It’s frustrating to think that where you live can impact your chances of survival. I can’t imagine the added stress of having to campaign just to get access to a drug that could help extend your life. Jeannie’s story, which we cover in episode 37, highlights a huge issue in global healthcare. The advancements are there, but the access isn’t. 

Balancing Conventional and Holistic Approaches

I’ve always believed that healing is more than just following a medical treatment plan. That’s why I’ve taken an integrative approach, balancing conventional treatments with other methods that help me manage both my breast cancer and MS. In episode 38, I discussed this idea further when I referenced Elle Macpherson’s approach to wellness. While my journey hasn’t been the same, I’ve found that combining nutrition, mindfulness, and other holistic practices with my medical treatments has been key to my recovery and overall wellbeing. 

Key Takeaways 

Living with a chronic illness like breast cancer isn’t just about the physical battle. It’s about navigating an overwhelming medical system, making tough decisions, and balancing your emotions through it all. Whether it’s my diagnosis story, Louise’s experience with mastectomies, or Jeannie’s fight for access to life-saving treatments, these stories remind us that awareness isn’t just about the month of October—it’s about real people, real challenges, and real hope. 

If you or someone you know is dealing with breast cancer, I encourage you to check out episodes 20, 37, and 38 of Wellbeing Interrupted. You’ll find stories of strength, difficult decisions, and important lessons in each one. 

Episode Resources from Buzzsprout 

Episode 20. Hurdle2Hope® Stories - Meet Lousie Butcher

Episode 37. Australia Has Access to Enhertu—England’s Stage 4 Breast Cancer Patients Deserve the Same.

Episode 38. I Live with Stage 4 Breast Cancer: Here’s My Take on Elle Macpherson’s Approach

Transcript for Episode 40: Breast Cancer Awareness Month: What I've Learned from My Stage 4 Journey

[00:00:00] Teisha: Hey there, Teisha here, and welcome to Wellbeing Interrupted, episode 40. I can't believe it's gone so quickly, but I am loving this whole podcast experience, and thank you if you're new to Wellbeing Interrupted. It's building momentum and there's been a lot more people listening recently. So yeah, welcome aboard and thank you for those who have been here from the beginning. 

[00:00:31] So October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month and Over the last two years, I've been thrown into the world of breast cancer. So I really wanted to share my story for those who aren't aware of it, but share it in a way that helps us, I guess, know more about what women living with breast cancer and some men are going through. 

[00:00:59] But also for Women out there, to use this as a reminder for yourself or for your loved ones, your friends, family members, to always be really vigilant, to check your breasts, to do the screening as suggested Also, I guess, to take comfort that there is so much happening in this space. And although of course I feel not particularly blessed having had to deal with MS and stage four breast cancer in this lifetime. 

[00:01:34] One thing I do say is that both of these conditions are so popular, which. I guess, might be a funny way of looking at it, but it means there's so much research, there is a lot of funding, that hopefully, if I can keep staying well, the outcomes will be good. So listen up, hopefully you enjoy this episode, hopefully you learn some, and If you know someone dealing with breast cancer, please forward this episode onto them. 

[00:02:09] During it, I will also have a couple of sort of soundbites because I've met two incredible women living with breast cancer on my podcast. So let's share their story. And my story as well. Welcome to Wellbeing Interrupted, the podcast dedicated to exploring the transformative power of a healing mindset. 

[00:02:35] I'm Teisha Rose, your host and the founder of If you're on a quest to not just survive but thrive after a life changing diagnosis, then you're definitely in the right place. Living with MS and now stage 4 breast cancer has taught me a vital lesson. In the face of a life changing illness, our mindset is everything. 

[00:03:02] Each week I'll share insights, tips and strategies to help you build a happier, healthier, more balanced life. Life has changed so much over the last two and a half years. February 22, I was in the shower. I felt a lump in my breast. I'd never felt it before, and I was quite vigilant in checking my breasts and so changed my entire life. 

[00:03:41] I was At that stage, not living on 100 acres of land, we were living in a small sort of seaside town, and the next morning I knew something wasn't right, so I quickly made an appointment at the local medical clinic. I met an incredible lady GP who was very thorough in her examination. Then I went. A week or so later, had a biopsy. 

[00:04:09] Mammogram. Found out the news wasn't good. I was diagnosed at that stage with Stage 2 breast cancer. Then the next treatment, it all just happens so quickly. So if you know anyone going through breast cancer, just know their life has changed so quickly. Next for me was an appointment with a surgeon. Part of the treatment, is going through surgery to remove the tumor. 

[00:04:37] At that stage, they thought the tumor was contained, so that was a good thing. I met with the surgeon. She was such a lovely lady. I felt so calm in her presence and I thought, no, this will be okay. We'll get rid of the tumor. I was booked in for a mastectomy. Fortunately, she was really thorough and we had to wait for another Result from the biopsy and she said while we're waiting before surgery, so surgery was booked for two weeks later, let's do an MRI so I can really find out the size and position more in more detail of the tumor. 

[00:05:19] I had the MRI. And that result showed not only was my tumor larger than first thought, it was about seven centimeters, hiding in dense breast tissue. So I'd never heard of dense breast tissue. Um, so yeah, these tumors can hide. But the MRI showed I had a speck on a couple of bones, my sternum and scapula, which I'd forgotten about until I was chatting to Andrew the other night. 

[00:05:50] So I had spots there. Also on my liver. She was a little bit concerned, thought it should be okay though, but we found this out on about the Monday, and my surgeon said, let's try and rush you in for a PET scan. Surgery was going to happen on the Friday, so on the Tuesday I had PET scans. The PET scan. Then, on the Thursday, I received a call. 

[00:06:17] The worst call I've ever received. My surgeon said it wasn't great news. Unfortunately, those specs, they were significant. I had a tumour in my liver. on my sternum and a spot also on my scapula. Surgery was off, cancelled, there was no points because now I was dealing with stage 4 breast cancer. So you know, by early March, life had changed so much. 

[00:06:50] I was in the mode of having surgery and thinking I could cure this cancer and it would never come back to all of a sudden finding out that That wasn't the case. I needed to now see an oncologist and manage my disease. So that was a Thursday. I had to wait until the Monday to see the oncologist. That was such a full on few days. 

[00:07:19] Listen to episode One of this podcast, as I share that in detail, I also share what I did to get through those few days. And if you're listening to that episode, you'll see my voice doesn't sound as good, sort of 10 months ago, because as I shared in episode 34, the trauma of that period led to muscle tension dysphonia. 

[00:07:46] Which basically meant that the muscle above my voice bulk seized up and I couldn't speak for over a year. So listen to episode 34, my voice still isn't perfect, but I can get words out now. So it is so much better than what it was. So yeah, so all of a sudden I was dealing with stage 4 breast cancer and that is terrifying. 

[00:08:14] I felt like, you know, I bypassed the world almost of early detection breast cancer and I had no idea what was going to be ahead of me. And what complicated things a bit as well is I also live with MS or Multiple Sclerosis and that did complicate things because It impacted what type of treatments I could have and the impact that would have on MS, the concern that my body wouldn't cope, um, with, for example, if I was going to have surgery, it wouldn't cope really with reconstruction. 

[00:08:56] So that was off the table for me. And it also meant that My body, you know, was coping with so much that it impacted my legs. So I really struggled with walking during that time. Um, so yeah, so, so life was really complicated back two years ago. So for now, I share my diagnosis story. Because it is such a whirlwind and if you have a loved one going through breast cancer or any type of cancer, it happens so quickly and you're thrown into this new world. 

[00:09:36] You're thrown into making decisions about surgeries, treatment options, and it's scary. It's overwhelming. And the added dimension is all of a sudden you're faced with your mortality and that's scary because until you receive a phone call saying that you've now got stage 4 breast cancer, until you have a quick look and see what the statistics are in relation to that, it's It's terrifying. 

[00:10:12] Okay, so I want to now talk about treatment options that people living with breast cancer have. I'm no expert, but I did enter this whole new medical world and when I received that call saying I'm now dealing with stage four breast cancer, I remember like wearing a beanie around home and tying up my hair and saying, Oh, I wonder what I'm going to look like losing my hair. 

[00:10:40] Because I just assumed that stage 4 breast cancer meant I would be, if surgery was off the table, then the next option would be, um, chemotherapy. But that didn't happen. And the irony for me is I have experienced chemotherapy, but that was Way back in 2000, then in 2003 and 2006, when I was dealing with really blonde MS relapses, and for each of those periods, I had two rounds of chemo. 

[00:11:18] So I'd experienced that before, but just not in relation to breast cancer. So my treatment, which is the same for lots of people who have what's called hormone receptor. Breast cancer is hormone blockers. It's full on. Um, it really has an impact on your body because I was dealing with the emotion of this diagnosis and within a month or two, I was in menopause. 

[00:11:54] I hadn't even experienced what I now know is perimenopause. I'd had no symptoms at all. I'm sorry. I was sitting there taking these medications. I had to have implants put into my stomach once a month to shut down my ovaries as well because my cancer was feeding off the hormones in my body. So we needed to block those. 

[00:12:18] We needed to block the hormones that were coming from my Adrenal gland as well. Um, so yeah, no hormones in my body and I was just sitting there waiting for the hot flushes to start and they did start. And I share this because I think we really need to be mindful of people going through hormone treatments for these cancers. 

[00:12:41] It is amazing that they know the different types of tumors we now have, but hormone therapy can be really difficult. But I decided to go through that because I trusted my oncologist to do that. But that means a bit of weight gain, which makes you feel not so great. It also means hot flushes. That's really difficult when you're dealing with MS because I don't cope with the heat really well with MS. 

[00:13:12] So my body's not good at regulating heat. So when I'm having lots of hot flushes, along with My body not being able to deal with that, having MS, it's, it hasn't been fun. The good news though for me was the hormone blockers were working. There was another drug that I was going to take. What's really fortunate with breast cancer now is that you can have targeted therapies. 

[00:13:40] So the plan was to have the hormone blockers, then to go on targeted therapies. Again, MS complicated things. I went and saw my neurologist and he said, you know, I'm just not comfortable. You need to have another infusion for MS. I was having those, a drug called Ocrevus every six months. And he said, that suppresses your immune system. 

[00:14:04] This targeted therapy, a side effect of that is. a risk of infection, and my body wouldn't be able to cope. So he was going to have a conversation with my oncologist to really work out what treatment would be best for me. The plan was to have my MS infusion, wait for four months until that sort of came out of my system, my immune system built up again, and then to go on to this targeted therapy. 

[00:14:35] I said to my neurologist, No point me walking really well to my grave, but make the right decision. And, you know, I felt comfortable that they were making decisions with both diseases in mind, because I couldn't ignore the reality that I also had MS. But now looking back, I think that decision That trust I had in my neurologist and oncologist was a key to the rest of my experience with breast cancer. 

[00:15:14] Because you see, four months later, just before I was going to start the targeted therapy, my oncologist said, let's just have a look on a PET scan as to what's happening with the cancer, what's happening in your liver, on your bones, in your breast. And to the shock of everyone, I had. The PET scan, I received a call, but this call was so much better than the one sort of five, six months beforehand. 

[00:15:44] And I was told that the tumours in your liver, bones and breast, they're not there. There was no cancerous cells detected in your body. I was told, you know, you've got stage 4 breast cancer. What that means is that there will never be a cure. Those cells, they could be really small cancerous cells that aren't detectable. 

[00:16:12] But for now, there's no evidence of disease. So the whirlwind, the whirlwind continued. And just really briefly, you know, because the hormone blockers were all working, Because the implants into my stomach got so painful, um, the option was let's get Rid of your tubes and your ovaries. So I had that surgery. 

[00:16:40] Neck scan still showed no evidence of disease. But then June 2023 or May 2023, A PET scan showed the cancerous cells returned to my breast. So, the decision for me was pretty clear cut, as Andrew told the surgeon, there's no point having Teisha and her two boobs in an urn on the mantelpiece. So, I went back to the same surgeon and we decided to go through with that surgery. 

[00:17:14] That was put on hold, um, previously and since then I've had two mastectomies, but for me now I continue on hormone blockers, scans continue to show the cancerous cells that had spread. Out of my breasts, there's still no evidence of those, so I sit here in remission, celebrating that and focusing on healing, because as I'll share shortly, everything I've done to heal, to ensure I live longer. 

[00:17:50] Well, with MS and cancer, I need to continue to do. 

[00:18:00] So now you know some of the treatment choices I've taken. Mastectomies, I, you know, I briefly say I've had two single mastectomies. It's a brutal, full on surgery. Lots of women are dealing with that. For some, it happens so quickly. Straight after they're diagnosed, Like me, originally, you then go through surgery, and I had nightmares leading up to that first surgery, which was cancelled. 

[00:18:33] Nightmares of running through a bush, which was good I guess, because I could run, which I can't do with MS. But I was being chased by, you know, people with a machete and I ran away. I remember waking up screaming and it's so brutal to think your breasts are being chopped off to get rid of the cancer. And that's why in episode 20, I interviewed Louise Butcher. 

[00:18:59] Um, and Louise ran the London Marathon post mastectomies. So she ran the marathon after she's got stage three breast cancer and her treatment was her mastectomies. Um, and yeah, she ran the marathon topless and she keeps running and has done more triathlons and marathons. And part of her motivation on doing that is to help people like me who are have gone through mastectomies and many women dealing with breast cancer have gone through similar surgeries and really to create awareness about that and the stigma that's often associated with being flat chested. 

[00:19:44] And I wasn't aware of that. I was so fortunate with Andrew, my partner, he was so supportive. Apparently, and unfortunately, that's not always the case with partners going through. and making decisions about mastectomies. And it's also the grief you have yourself, because no matter what, and no matter how happy I was to get rid of the cancer, and how relieved I was that had gone from my breast, it is brutal. 

[00:20:16] And emotionally dealing with a mastectomy is really difficult. So I'm just going to play a little bit from that interview with Louise. What I found really interesting is I kind of used myself as a guinea pig with the topless running. Yeah. Because I found it interesting that as a person who'd gone from having breasts to not having them, I was, it wasn't the feeling that I had with not having them. 

[00:20:41] It was the feeling of other people's perception of me not having them. So I knew it was a social norm and a stigma that was affecting the way I felt negatively about it. So if, if there wasn't any judgment or any perception or anybody feeling pity for someone who's lost the breast, I think I'd have been fine with being flat chested because as we were talking about earlier, there's quite a lot of positives for it. 

[00:21:04] Yes. And I actually like it, but it was the thought of feeling that there was pity thrown on me and the perception of, oh, well, you're not a woman, you're not feminine, oh, you need to put some back. that I knew it was, it was the outside stigma. And that's why I thought, well, if we show the flat chest, if we show the mastectomy out there in a, in a form rather than a picture, so we see that person running, doing things, living the life, then the normalization will begin and then the stigma will be reduced. 

[00:21:36] which will then entail in years to come, hopefully not that many years to come, the fact that when a woman does have to make that choice, she'll have some positives and also she will see that the actual perception of it has changed. So then, It's not about what other people think, it's about what the woman thinks, which is really important. 

[00:21:57] And I really encourage you after this episode, if you're going through post surgery or about to have surgery, please listen to episode 20. Louise is incredible. I'll also put her contact details in the show notes because Louise keeps running and she keeps sharing her message. And it's so powerful. 

[00:22:26] I now want to touch on another conversation I had with Jeannie. Jeannie, like me, was diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer from the start. So it's called de novo. Jeannie lives in England, whereas I'm in Australia. And when I was And when the surgeon did an MRI, my biopsy was sent to be tested for what's called HER2. 

[00:23:04] Um, and HER2 is a type of tumor, I guess. I'm not very good at explaining everything. But mine was hormone positive, um, but also they're looking at whether it was HER2 positive as well, because if it is HER2 positive, that means different types of treatment. The really exciting news now is there's a drug that's used for HER2 positive, which they found that if you have a low reading of HER2, Which, down the track, that might be the case for me. 

[00:23:40] In Australia, from the 1st of September, that drug is available to treat HER2 low breast cancer. The devastating thing is that in England, Wales, and also Northern Ireland, this drug, which is available for HER2 positive breast cancer, which works, which has shown to work, is not being funded for people like Jeannie, and it's devastating. 

[00:24:14] And that emotional impact on having treatments, but not being able to access them, that's what this month is all about. For me, it's about creating awareness and raising awareness for people. The accessibility of treatments. And as I said to Jeannie, what's the point, you know, of doing all this research, finding drugs that will help, if they're not being funded. 

[00:24:46] So I'm just going to play a little bit from that interview. As we said, we're, we're not out of the ordinary people. You know, we've got this, um, stage four to start with for both of us. And if this drug helps prolong and extend our lives, why would you not give that? Um, as you said, you're already contributing to society and it's so unfair of you even having this, in your headspace having to deal with this when you should have so many other things to be doing. 

[00:25:20] Yeah, exactly. It's an insult, really. It's an insult. Now, I shouldn't be campaigning, writing to my MPs, you know, having to do all this campaigning for a drug to keep me alive for longer when other countries are getting it. You know, we should be enjoying our lives, enjoying The rest of the time that we have and, and also the impact on your mental health. 

[00:25:45] Yeah, it's definitely been detrimental to my mental health. So every now and then, and all of us who are involved in it. then have to step away a little bit, you know, you find, you'll see people that are, you know, we're really involved in trying to campaign, contacting MPs, writing letters, um, shouting about it and every now and then you just have to take a step back because it's too much for your mental health. 

[00:26:08] I never thought I would be in this position. I never thought that I would be begging for my life really, which is what I'm doing. Yeah, I really never in the beginning I never ever thought I'd be doing that. Yeah. I never thought I'd be doing that. No, and it's not fair. And I think, um, we all help in raising funds and, you know, applaud the research that's been done medically. 

[00:26:38] And it's incredible. But then you think that gives us hope, but then that hope is taken away. from us, you know, by it's like, well, yeah, we found out this, this will help, but sorry, you can't access, you know, and that's really, that's really hard to cope with. 

[00:26:58] What I'd love you to do after listening to this, listen to episode 37 where I speak to Jeannie, then go to, at the titty gritty, I'll put the actual Instagram handle in the show notes, I'll also share it. on my Instagram page, because it's getting really serious for women like Jeannie. They've got only until this Friday, UK time, to raise funds to actually enable them to take legal proceedings to challenge, Access to this drug. 

[00:27:41] And this drug is so important. Jeannie, as you'll hear in the podcast, episode 37, is such a gorgeous person. It is so unfair that a drug that could extend her life, that she can't access it. It makes me feel sick. It makes me feel, of course, lucky that we're living in Australia, but it's so unfair. And if you're listening from other parts of the world, Australia and England have such close ties and knowing that, depending on where you live in the world, will determine your odds. 

[00:28:19] Outcome with this disease is not right. So please do go to the Titty Gritty, um, also Jeannie's Instagram handle, which I'll provide in the show notes. And yeah, see if you can do anything to help with this next. Okay, so I've been talking medically, what my treatments have been. I've also done an episode on breast cancer in relation to Al McPherson. 

[00:28:56] This is episode 38. Again, I think it's a good episode. Have a listen. Okay, so I've been talking medically, what my treatments have been. didn't take the conventional route to treating her stage 0 breast cancer. And for me, as I share in this episode, I was taken back about the anger channeled towards Elmert Fersen, particularly by media, um, and also in some Facebook groups as well. 

[00:29:31] For me, my journey with breast cancer has been integrative. I've always made sure I'm surrounded by really good medical. But I've also, as MS taught me, I've been open to other ways of treating my overall wellbeing. I truly believe that Only doing medical, you can't heal. I tried that with MS to start with. 

[00:29:59] I was very reactive. I'd wait until I got sick. I then went and saw my neurologist. I had treatment, went to hospital, returned to life as it was, and then got sick again, and the cycle kept going. kept continuing. So fortunately, with stage 4 breast cancer, I've been really proactive. I've continued on with energy healing, which I started when, I guess, refocusing my efforts into living well with MS. 

[00:30:32] And I'll chat about that more in another episode. But I guess part of this Breast Cancer Awareness Month is that. We need to be open to all types of approaches for dealing with breast cancer. I'm never going to say don't do medical. I think you do need to explore that. But if you work on yourself, then you'll be connected to the right medical people in your team. 

[00:31:03] And I also think you'll respond better to treatment. I know that part of me Coping really well with my recovery from my surgeries was that I was doing so many other things to look after myself. And the surgeon said that, you know, she said the surgeon gods were on our side. And I know I was meditating beforehand. 

[00:31:29] I was having energy healing. I was doing so much to prepare my body for this recovery. surgery that in living with breast cancer, I truly believe that you need to look after your overall wellbeing. More on that on another episode. For now, please listen to episode 38 and yeah, be open to challenging how we think about treatment. 

[00:31:59] Um, and how we can have an integrative approach. 

[00:32:09] Okay, so that's all for this episode. Thank you for listening. Again, it is Breast Cancer Awareness Month. I thought it was important to share my story. I do that so you're aware if you have a going through breast cancer or if you're at home. At an age where you need to be really vigilant in terms of checking for lumps, having mammograms, having ultrasounds, whatever you need to do to check, um, that you don't have cancer. 

[00:32:43] And I also thought it's really important to highlight the impact breast cancer has on our bodies through treatment. whether it's chemotherapy, which I haven't had to do for breast cancer, but two single mastectomies, hormone therapy, which, you know, both of those have really changed my body. And in relation to that, listen to episode 20, where I speak to Louise about running the London Marathon topless post two single mastectomies and her message about Breaking down the stigma for flat chested women. 

[00:33:29] Also, please listen to episode 37, where I talk to Jeannie. This week is critical in their campaigning for Access2 in Hur2. This drug is proven to be life extending. In Australia, we have access. In other countries, there's access, but unfortunately, in England, Wales, Northern Ireland, there's not access, and that's impacting Jeannie and others living over in the UK. 

[00:34:00] Please have a listen. Follow the link. Titty Gritty. They're doing an incredible campaign at the moment to raise awareness, but time is running out and we need to help them, um, to raise the funds for legal action. Then, have a listen if you're interested in my take on Al McPherson in episode 38. Al McPherson has been non conventional in dealing with her breast cancer. 

[00:34:28] Having said that, she did have surgery, but she didn't have chemotherapy and has gone down natural therapies. Listen to it with an open mind. I'm definitely not saying not to follow medical advice. I have an incredible medical team around me, but I am also very open to combining that with natural therapies. 

[00:34:54] So, thank you for listening. Have a fantastic week. Please catch up on some of the episodes. Please, if you know someone dealing with breast cancer, share this episode with them because these types of conversation can really help with the, the challenges of breast cancer. So please share this episode. Share the Wellbeing Interrupted podcast with those you think need to hear these messages. 

[00:35:25] Living with breast cancer, living with MS, living with other health conditions is made easier, I think, if we support each other and we really challenge our thinking about all aspects of our wellbeing. Chat soon!